Has “The Donald” finally jumped the shark? Impossible to know given that he’s gotten away with saying more outrageous things than virtually any political candidate in modern American history. But in a pre-taped “Town Hall” meeting with Chris Matthews, this “gotcha moment” happened:

Here’s the transcript:

Matthews: “Should the women be punished for having an abortion? This is not something you can dodge.”

Trump: “Look, people in certain parts of the Republican Party, conservative Republicans, would say, ‘Yes, it should.”

Matthews: “How about you?”

Trump: “I would say it’s a very serious problem and it’s a problem we have to decide on.”

Matthews: “But you’re for banning it?”

Trump: “Are you going to send them to jail?”

Matthews: “But no I’m asking you. Because you say you want to ban it. What does that mean?”

Trump: “I am pro-life.”

Matthews: “What is a ban? How do you ban abortion?  How do you actually do it?”

Trump: “Well, you go back to a position like they had where they will perhaps go to illegal places but we have to ban it.”

Matthews: “Yeah you ban it and they go to somebody who flunked out of medical school”

Trump: “Are you Catholic?”

Matthews: “Yes”

Trump: “And how do you feel about the Catholic Church’s position?”

Matthews: “I accept the teaching authority of my church.”

Trump: “But do you know their position on abortion?”

Matthews: “Yes I do.”

Trump: “And do you concur with that position?”

Matthews: “I concur with their moral position but legally…”

Trump: “What do you say about your church?”

Matthews: “It’s not funny.”

Trump: “Yeah, it’s not funny but what do you say about your church?”

Matthews: “The church makes their moral judgments but you running for President of the United States will be Chief Executive of the United States.”

Matthews: “Do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no, as a principal?”

Trump: “The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment.”

Matthews asked: “For the woman?”

Trump: “Yeah.”

Matthews: “10 cents, 10 years, what?”

Trump: “That, I don’t know”

Matthews: “Why not? You take positions on everything else.”

Trump: “I do take positions on everything else. It’s a very complicated position.”

I will now present the parody song, “Old Trump Donald owned a Slum, SLUM L-O-R-D,” which describes Trump’s exploitative real estate practices and discriminatory comments about Mexicans (Lyrics by James Rustad, Copyright 2015. All Rights Reserved). Indeed, it appears that the circle of people Trump considers to be worthy of punishment keeps expanding.